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hi i'm emelin swanson ufo network and

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we're here today to uh talk to phil

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jones whose father witnessed the

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ufo in on the night of the evening of

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the 19th of january

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1983 on the night when many ufos were

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seen across the south wales area

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and particularly around the swansea bay

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area

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a little bit of background phil's dad

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a driving instructor who's leaving the

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house to go to to work to pick up

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somebody um just after 6 p.m on on on

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that night and um i'll introduce you now

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to phil who's uh you can take it through

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certainly

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yeah for sure well as i say my father

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liked the property he was going on to a

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driving lesson

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uh as he got down to his car here uh he

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noticed uh he's he was attention was

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drawn to the the roofs of the two houses

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next door next door but one

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uh from which he saw a large black craft

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um it was about this he described it as

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being about the size of a family saloon

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car

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triangular in shape uh it was blacker

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than the night sky

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and then on the on the three corners of

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this craft was a small

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uh pole and then at the bottom of that

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pole was a very bright small but very

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bright white light

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um the vehicle or the craft

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came between the two houses here

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it then descended below the height of

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the house

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at a walking pace it crossed the road

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and then

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ascended back up on several phases it

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came up on two or three phases

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and just about managed to miss the roof

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of the house opposite

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um which roof was it uh number 15

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that's right that one there next to the

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scaffolding yeah yeah it uh it he said

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it was that close he was waiting for the

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impact uh to occur he he really did

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think it was gonna crash was there any

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sound it was that it made a sound it was

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it was going at what he described as a

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slow walking pace

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uh and um

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was so narrow or indeed so low it had no

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height to it as such

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he said if anybody if any although it

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was intelligently controlled um and

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certainly it was under control uh if

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there was any entity anything in there

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it would have had to have been laying

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prostrate

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and it would have it's certainly

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probably not a human being

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um it was that thin

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so

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um you said it was about

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what size was that about the size of a

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family saloon at the front size of a

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family yeah regular family cars um

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when you say it was a triangle shape

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what was it like a equilateral triangle

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uh yes it was yeah yeah yeah yeah as i

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said um

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several people

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were reported as having seen these

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aircraft in the night sky on that

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particular night in question um but this

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is the closest this is

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one over there it is the lowest yeah

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that i've yeah yeah so you can imagine

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it coming over the roof there sure this

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is a quick condition again

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in this direction

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as i say it descended it actually came

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down below

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the the height of the roof

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um how long would it take five six

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seconds to cross the road at a walking

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pace

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yeah and then as i say it then ascended

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again

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just about cleared that roof literally

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by an inch or two

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and then my father having run up here

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between the gap in the two houses he

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noticed it descending again and making

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its way down there

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well when it actually left did it um

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did it leave it velocity or did it just

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disappear

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my father lost sight of it between these

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houses um it didn't speed up this the

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speed was constant it was a constant

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what you'd what he described as a slow

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to medium walking pace

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um and that's how it it it ascended over

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that roof

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he but he ran over here saw between the

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two houses the gap there he managed to

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watch it descend back down below the

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house level again and head off in that

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direction towards the swansea bay

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um and as i say he said that as far as

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he was concerned the speed was

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continually uh it was the same speed i

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wonder if there's any sound coming from

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that thing well

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the only sound that he could hear was a

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very low deep uh and i'll do it for you

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it was a sort of a choo choo choo choo

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choo choo sound yeah so where were you

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at that time were you oh i've been in

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the house i was living there i was 18 at

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the time um i was actually inside the

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house together with my mum and brother

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as i say my father was coming out to go

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on a driving lesson as a driving

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instructor he was going to pick someone

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up and of course it's then he noticed

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this was was your dad sort of into this

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sort of stuff or was he a skeptic

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he was he had a great deal of interest

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in the paranormal in all all its aspects

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all its various aspects whether it be

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ghosts or teleportation time travel

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whatever it might be and of course ufos

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are one of those but i wouldn't say he

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was overly interested until this event

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the only reason they say is because a

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lot of people think that they've seen a

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ufo when they've seen like a flare or

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something yeah and some people just it's

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what they want to see but this thing was

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really oh

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you know as i said

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until he died in 2012 we regularly

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discussed it uh and i suppose

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periodically we'd sit down and think

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well what on earth could it have been

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uh and to this day where we we have no

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answer when it happened did he come back

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in the house to tell him oh gosh yes he

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was very excited about it he came

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running you know

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he was in a bit of a flap oh god you see

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what i've seen nuts is mad what have i

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just seen

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and of course but then

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um

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he was a very private chap and hence i

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had to wait until he passed away before

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i could

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report it to anyone he wouldn't have

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wanted any of this

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were there any other witnesses that come

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forward that sort of said you know did

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you see what went on you know not that

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i'm aware of um nobody else in the

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street has come forward or mentioned

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anything and so as far as i'm aware my

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father was the only witness to this

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particular incident as i say um i i know

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of two or three people who saw them much

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higher at a far higher altitude on that

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night um i think there were police

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officers saw that witnessed it

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yeah there was nothing like what your

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dad said no no it seems that on that

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night on that evening there were many

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different

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area so

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it wasn't just that one area no

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this is what i've since

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having studied it since i found to be

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the classic triangular craft uh i know

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that belgium had a lot of what they call

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a flap back in the 80s with these

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triangular craft were chased and pursued

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i know that much but your father's

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cycling is unusual in fact he had a

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protuberance at each corner with a white

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light on the end of it that's right to

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go through that again each of the three

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corners a tube so long uh and the bottom

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of which was a small but very intensely

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bright white light very intensely bright

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and that's of course how he could take

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the shape

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and of course that between the three

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bright white lights the triangle itself

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was a lot darker whatever it was made of

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it was a lot darker than the sky did it

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move in any irregular patterns of europe

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no no as i said it came in an absolute

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straight line over the roof it the only

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thing it did the only deviation was it

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in in its altitude its altitude

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fluctuated from just above literally an

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inch or two above uh roof level uh down

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to below roof level

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uh and of course then it re-ascended

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once it got to the other side of the

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road i forgot to see my little

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introduction there we're actually in

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long long oaks avenue avenue in

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between the uplands and scotty in

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swansea yeah and that way south that way

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is north so that's right it was had to

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get you back into the south

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it was heading into north to south

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direction

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the speed was constant its altitude

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fluctuated by what's uh 10 feet perhaps

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yeah something like that

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and then as i say just just to finish

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off it it descended again at the other

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side of this house

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and my father running up here he could

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just about make up between the two

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properties there this ufo coming back

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down can you just say what year again it

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was please it was january 1983.

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it's a long time ago

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yeah and do you know what in 1983 i

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remember some friends coming to school

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and saying that they'd witnessed ufos

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well that's right yeah yeah it must have

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been the same time it was it was as i i

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know this as i said

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two or three of my friends actually saw

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them as well they were quite they were

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everywhere that particular night they

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were although i personally didn't see

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one uh no i was really jealous yeah so i

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i'm upset about that but i didn't i

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didn't see one but as i say my father's

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account was something that we've talked

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about ever since

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it really freaked him out he didn't have

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well to this day we don't know what that

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was we went through drones but then well

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drones a they don't go at a walking pace

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at least i don't think so um they're not

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they weren't

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known back in the early 80s

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um and the thing i kept asking is why

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would any military or governmental

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department want to test something

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uh like that over an urban street yeah

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in in at six o'clock on a on a weekday

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evening

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so it just doesn't make sense

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um

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drones were if it were drone it was it

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would have been something that uh would

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have been highly top secret at that time

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um and why the hell would they be

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testing it over a a suburban street

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yeah um it just didn't make sense plus

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of course it's the exact time was it six

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or six it was round about six o'clock

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because um yeah give or take many other

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witnesses uh reported two big objects

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going west uh east to west right high up

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low down

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yeah um all about the same time between

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sort of six six thirty yeah that would

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be the talbot skewing yeah all over the

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place if i remember rightly my father

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his evening lessons were 6 30 they

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started he went a couple of lessons in

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the evening and i think the first one

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used to be starting at 6 30 so it would

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have been around about six six to 10

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past something on along those lines of

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course after that then you have to go to

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work and then he went to work

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very shaken up very shaken up by it

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yeah absolutely right well thank you for

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meeting us thank you thank you thank you

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sir thank you i hope some use to you

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okay cheers very much so thank you

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brilliant there we are

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it's uh amazing strange occurrences are

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turning up that we've come across and

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since we've been doing this oh you won't

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believe it yeah it's so many yeah um

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people coming forward the red russian

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forest incident

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that's the one i find the most

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fascinating colonel holt

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charles holt and uh that crew

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they must

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have been written about it yeah that's

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right yeah nick pope

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he wrote a book about it recently which

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i found very interesting

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and of course our interest in it was

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it it was greatly increased having seen

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this whatever it was he saw that's when

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we really started taking a bit more of

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an interest in the subject

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it does you know that happens a lot you

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know people see something and it it

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awakens uh

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oh yeah there's a fascination with the

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subject

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well as i say he was a very private guy

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he didn't want anyone and he wouldn't

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have particularly appreciated this to be

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truthful

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and hence i did promise i wouldn't say

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any more about it until after he'd gone

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but as soon as he did then i thought

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right well it's fair enough now is the

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time i i honestly believe that this is

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an important enough sighting that it's

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at least to tell people yeah but what

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people take from this is entirely up to

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them but

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i know it's true i know it happened it

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did my father did see this whatever it

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was he did see it

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and it it it

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shocked him really

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it is amazing how many people have seen

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things and it's gone unreported over the

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years yeah and this has been the purpose

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of the club really because it's brought

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to like so many incidents

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i've come to the meetings they're not

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afraid when they realize everyone else

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is in the same position and seeing other

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things themselves yeah they will come up

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front and start telling you what they've

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seen yeah yeah as i say i wish i could

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say i saw it i wished i could but i

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didn't

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well i wasn't i'm really pleased that

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you you did put that post up on on the

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website

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we spotted and um

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because otherwise

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that sighting that your dad had would

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have been forgotten and yeah yeah well

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the things about it that i found the

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most interesting was either depth of the

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craft it was so

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shallow if you will that is he said

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probably a human being couldn't even lay

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in it it was that shallow that was

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something i thought was quite important

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that we

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explain and also the chugging noise

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and you don't expect to hear sort of a

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low chugging noise with something to do

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um assume as you assume to be so super

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high tech did you ask her on the

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neighbors see if anybody else saw it

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no we didn't no no perhaps we ought to

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have but my father was i guess he was

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the only one out here at the time um

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this is such a transient thing

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that's a busy street people are in and

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out all the time six o'clock is a fairly

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early evening just a few seconds across

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the road and then yeah it was over the

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next week yeah yeah but that's it yeah

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as i say it was it was all over in about

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maybe

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it didn't last long

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given the business of schedule

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especially that time of the evening

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there's a good chance someone else and

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it was at night yeah well it was dark as

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i said it was because it was middle of

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january and so of course 6 p.m it's

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pitch dark

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this craft was darker than the night sky

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so even if it didn't have a light on

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each corner he could have seen

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what it was the street lights would have

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been cured by the fact that it was dark

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a lot darker than the sky around it

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it's okay

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there we go

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good

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i think you can always tell the more

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genuine cases is when they worried about

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the self-image and they worried about um

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what people might think because if they

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were attention-seeking they would have

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just bloated it out

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but again as i said i swore i with my

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father and my word that i wouldn't

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go uh

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putting it out in pub in the public

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domain until he passed away um

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which of course he did in 2012 and so

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soon after he died i thought right next

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time the power but at least anyone with

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an interest in this subject knew what it

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seemed yeah

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it is i would have thought it's quite

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important in as much as that as i say

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the noise it made the height of the

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craft general description

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is quite accurate and as much as you

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could have been about

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25-30 feet from it

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yeah

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oh we're very grateful to you it's not

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going to make scary

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for our purposes anyway we've got a

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record of it now and it's nice to

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compare these things as well because

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there's so many other people seeing the

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same sort of thing on the same night

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it's just interesting so yeah has been

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plot in the direction of every single

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one that's been reported on that night

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so it's interesting to see which

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directions they've been traveling some

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of them might be the same crowd yeah

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they've seen something probably

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i think it's more than a coincidence

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as i say my memory may be playing tricks

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with me but i can remember my friends

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and i sitting down talking about them um

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but of course they were much higher in

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the sky like the ones my friends had

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seen and then an altitude of perhaps

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hundreds of feet if not more yeah

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they just saw small craft but of course

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this one was 25 30 feet away

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so it was a heck of a difference

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well we blame a lot on confabulation a

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way but very often our memory is a lot a

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lot more accurate than we give them

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credit for possibly yeah yeah that's

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very true too

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there we are

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that's it okay

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okay steve